Monday, December 19, 2011

Mystagogy Monday and the Chicago Sun Times

Our Fourth "Mystagogy Monday" has arrived.

How'd it go in your parish yesterday? Are the "And also with you's" slowly but surely morphing into "And with your spirit's?"

On the plane flying to California on Thursday, I happened to catch this editorial in the Chicago Sun Times concerning the new translation. I was enjoying the piece until I got to the section about the nuns. I thought this was irreverent and insensitive. While I can understand attempts at Catholic humor, this went over the line for me.

Thoughts anyone?

Gotta sing. Gotta pray.


Anonymous said...

The article definitely was on course until the nuns. Though it was irrelevant, he was sadly stating the truth, that's what happened in the 50s, 60s etc. At my parish, no one is picking up the cards. I am forgetting the responses and we are probably at a 50/50 response based on what I can hear. I find myself not listening to the prayers anymore because I don't understand them so I drift. writing it? The melodies of the Holy etc are "nice", but they don't have that joy in it that I feel from other settings. I sense that even if we did all the right preparation from months ago, and gave the supports, will the church in the pews do what is right and just?

Jeffrey Herbert said...

We have reminded the assembly to use the pew cards before every Mass and plan to do so until this time next year...this is a long term project.

What we're getting is "And also with your Spirit.." after which there is a brief wave of giggles...I'm guessing that will work itself out by Summer or so.

I'm not sure I quite understand what "Anonymous" is getting at. The new (translation of the) prayers, while a bit more complex in structure are not exactly "incomprehensible". True, instead of "Lord, bless your people" we now get "Lord, graciously grant us your mercy and confer your blessings on those who offer you these prayers.."....a bit more involved to be sure, but still pretty easy to grasp. Also, one of the objectives is to LISTEN more closely to what is being prayed rather than allowing it to wash over you in a convenient and easily digestible format.

I think it's a mistake to assume that things would be the same had proper preparation (and ongoing effort)been done as I assume was not done at your parish. All evidence confirms that parishes that properly prepared are progressing well.

Anonymous said...

What an insult to women religious! This is not humor but an expression of someone's globalized anger and/or a perpetuation of a stereotypical myth. My guess is that among the Sisters from his youth to whom the author refers most are among the prophetic women who are, with their very lives, carrying forward the vision and spirit of Vatican II today. It's time to grow up and deal with today's realities in an adult, discerning and educated manner rather than play the silly and insulting "blame the nuns" game yet again simply because something's not going right for you. And, by the way, they were probably Sisters, not nuns.

Anonymous said...

I hope the article writer is not trying to make a living as a comedian!

If he visited our parish, he'd find nearly perfect unity in the new responses. The priests have the new propers and ordinary down cold. Well paced, well proclaimed.

Only four weeks in and we are in good shape. Now, Christmas will be interesting with a bunch of CINO's attending!

Jeffrey Herbert said... would seem that the author of the article has had no contact with women religious other than in the movies. I wonder if this same author is of the opinion that all priests behave like those in "The Thorn Birds"...or more likely he just assumes they are all pedophiles. What's amzing (ironic?) is that a person who makes their livelihood from crafting language has so much trouble with a set of responses that my 6th, 8th and 10th grade children have already memorized.

Pathetic...(or maybe Pathetique?)

Anonymous said...

Personally, I like the nun in the Blues Brothers...

I agree that the article went silly at that point.

I'm beginning to wonder if the CDW/Vox Clara pulled something of a suckerpunch with "consubstantial". By putting such a corker in the people's part, they have provided something that many partly-informed commentators can latch onto immediately and never let go of. It may be the worst word in the Mass (although the Immaculate Conception's 'prevenient' is giving it a run for its money), but it's only a single word.

The brilliance of the distraction is that people are getting so preoccupied with "consubstantial" that nobody is talking about the barely comprehensible syntactic jumble that makes up the Eucharistic Prayers or the garbled mess of the Collects and Prayers over the Eucharist. We have completely abandoned elegant simplicity in favour of clauses layered three deep.

I'm with Anonymous. Much of what we have been given is bordering on gibberish.

"Therefore, O Lord, as we celebrate the memorial of the blessed Passion, the Resurrection from the dead, and the glorious Ascension into heaven of Christ, your Son, our Lord, we, your servants and your holy people, offer to your glorious majesty, from the gifts that you have given us, this pure victim, this holy victim, this spotless victim, the holy Bread of eternal life and the Chalice of everlasting salvation."

Paul Robertson.

Anonymous said...

At the parish at which I attended mass, I was surprised that no musical mass settings were used for the Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation, and Amen. Instead, everyone spoke the responses. I was really disappointed with this. With the large number of great new mass settings that have been composed, I was disappointed that none were used. I was wondering whether the priest thought this was a way to teach the new responses, or if there was another reason for this.

Also, there was a time (ironically, a time when the response had not changed) during which it seemed that very few people responded. The priest seemed frustrated and even told everyone how they needed to respond and said something like how this is what active and conscious participation is about, then asking people what to say after he says "the Lord be with you." It seemed like many people had the attitude that since they did not know what to say and they did not want to pick up the mass card, it was easiest to just not say the response.

Also, on Monday night I went to a reconciliation service. I might have misheard, but it sounded like everyone said "and also with you." I said that, thinking that since this was not mass, perhaps the new translation was not required, but was curious about this.

Anonymous said...

What, pray tell, are CINO's FJH?
I hope that you are not implying that you can look into people's souls and know that they are Catholics in name only (even if we knew what that meant)....

John Farley said...

Once he mentioned the "old-school nuns who are now, well, old" he could have launched into promotion piece for the collection for the religious retirement fund most of which goes to help women religious.