Friday, April 15, 2011

A Question Concerning the Music and the New Translation

Friday greetings to you all.

Other blogs are sharing a link to the recent Time Magazine article on the new translation. After my post yesterday, I found it to be quite timely.



I have a question for you. Is your parish planning to begin singing the peoples' parts of the new translation at Mass before the implementation date of November 27, 2011?

Thanks for offering your response. Remember, if for some reason you cannot comment here on the blog, you can e-mail me directly: galipeauj@jspaluch.com

I hope that your celebration of Palm Sunday of the Lord's Passion brings you closer to the Lord.

Gotta sing. Gotta pray.

19 comments:

Moya Tully said...

In the UK the Order of the Mass is being introduced at the beginning of September and the full text will be used from the First Sunday of Advent. So I am sure we will be singing the people's parts from the beginning of September.

Gregg said...

We will start in June or September. No waiting until November for us. This way, the Gloria will be sung with gusto at Christmas.

Anonymous said...

At this time, my parish in the does not plan on introducing the parts until October-November - I have told it will be a quiet introduction. Ironically, we are spirited Vatican II parish with great liturgy.

Anonymous said...

A very good question that the pastor and I are not in total agreement on. It would be interesting to here if this will be a common practice or not. I worry that, being in a place with so many parishes cheek-by-jowl, people will be confused if we go ahead with the new parts and others haven't.

angelsteph said...

So far I have introduced on the new mass settings and we used it throughout Lent (minus the Holy, Gloria and used the When We Eat This Bread memorial). I plan to continue this throughout the year to get the people used to a few more settings. When Advent comes, it will be easier for the people to add in the other parts.

John Farley said...

We're already using some of the new texts: Form B for the Penitential Rite during Lent, the new Confiteor for Reconciliation services. We'll start using a new Gloria after Easter, and new acclamations in the fall. The dialogue changes and the Creed we'll save for Nov/Dec.

John Black said...

For our parish, the text changes will wait until Advent. I'm using pieces of the new Mass setting (Lamb of God, Gospel Acclamation, Gloria in a through-composed arrangement) to get the assembly used to its flavor, now, hopefully smoothing some transition edges. Catechesis and singing sessions will occur in October, with singing refreshers in mid-November. Our hope is that the assembly will be as ready as possible come November 27.

Todd said...

We're considering using the mysterium fidei acclamations as Communion songs this Fall with chanted psalm verses.

Anonymous said...

I thought the following article I came across was quite positive regarding the new translation. From the pastor of a parish in Park Ridge, Illinois.

http://www.spc-church.org/fr-brittos-blog/the-new-translation.html

Chironomo said...

I would really hope that this could be done if desired...will the musical settings be available for use prior to Advent, seeing as the text is copyrighted and not released until then? In other words, can publishers sell music with these texts for use prior to the implementation date?

That being said, we already chant the Communion Antiphon with Psalm Verses, so I was planning something similar to what Todd had suggested above, simply replacing the Communion Antiphon with the ICEL settings of the mysterium fidei acclamations. I think these acclamations are going to be a lot more difficult to teach than the Sanctus...

Jerry Galipeau, D. Min. said...

Most musical settings are available now.
Jerry

Anonymous said...

At the primary church that I attend, the plan is to wait until the first Sunday in advent. There has even been discussion about the possibility of having a mass on November 26 that starts at around 3:30 p.m. so that the first half of the mass is with the current translation and the second half is with the new translation (the priest said that the official time for the start of the advent season is 4pm).

Anonymous said...

I would actually find it upsetting if the new translations were implemented early for a couple of reasons.

First, there are many great mass settings for the current translations. There are only a few more weeks during which they are allowed to be used. We will have years to use and appreciate the new mass settings, so I find it important to treasure the current settings during the time for which they are allowed to be used. I have made an effort going to different parishes to hear some of the mass settings for at least one last time.

Second, I feel that the time before the implementation of the new translation provides for a brief "mourning" period to mourn over the current mass settings before they become obsolete.

Third, if the uniformity of everyone using the same translation is important, it seems problematic for some parishes to start using the new translation early. This makes it confusing for Catholics who travel. In my opinion, implementing parts of the new translation early brings about the same issues regarding uniformity that may be brought about if parishes continue to use the old translation.

Stan said...

Chironomo, I don't understand your concern...the new/revised mass settings have been available for months.

Jeff said...

We're a parish that uses five musical settings during the typical liturgical year (and our parish really sings them!)
We have three new settings that we know the parish will latch onto and we've already started implementing certain sung parts.
For Lent, we introduced the Gospel Acclamation and the General Intercessions from "Setting A." On Holy Thursday, we'll be introducing the Lamb of God from that same setting. At some point in Ordinary Time, we'll be introducing the Memorial Acclamation and Amen from the setting. Our Goal is to get a new melodic rhythm into everyone's heads so that when Advent comes, everyone thinks they're learning (musically) only a new Sanctus and a new Gloria.
By the way, the faithful in the pews have really embraced the new parts we plugged in for Lent. Fingers crossed.

Chironomo said...

Stan;

The concern is whether the settings are permitted to be used as the copyright is owned by ICEL and they have not released it for use prior to Advent. Essentially, using a setting with a restricted text would be a copyright violation. My question was whether ICEL, the USCCB or whoever has given permission for the use of these texts early.

Certainly, we are free to not care if we violate the copyright or not, but then I would expect the same willingness for publishers, etc..to look the other way when it comes to photocopying music, etc...

Stan said...

Chironomo:
So in essence, no publisher should be able to sell new mass settings until November 27 and we shouldn't be able to buy ANY product (books, learning materials or Missals) either? Has ICEL come out and said this? Many of the composers have been testing and using these new settings in their parishes...does that mean they are breaking the copyright law? Your statement doesn't seem to be rooted in any logic or understanding of the current situation. I apologize if this comes across critical, but your statements are just plain bizarre.

Chironomo said...

Stan;

The USCCB hs made it clear that the new texts cannot be implemented until November 27th.

This doesn't mean that they can't sell Missals ahead of time, just that you can't use the texts AT MASS until November 27th.

Settings of the Ordinary ("Mass Settings" as they are popularly known) are part of those texts, whether they are sung or said. And so I repeat my question... has the USCCB, ICEL or whomever given permission to publishers to release these settings FOR USE AT MASS prior to the Novemebr 27th date. Why is this such a difficult question to understand.

They have said that publishers can sell Missals in October, but that the texts cannot be used until November. I assume that the same prohibition on use AT MASS is in effect for the musical settings they sell unless there has been some official exception made and related to publishers. I'm not suggesting that they can't be sold or rehearsed... but can they be used (with permission) at Mass. If no official permission has been given, then the Copyright is being violated as the conditions for use of these texts has been dictated by their owner. If the point of this discussion is therefore whether or not we should advocate for ignoring copyright restrictions, then let's have THAT discussion, because that's what's at the root of this.

Mike said...

I think Chironomo's question is perfectly clear. Sure, settings are available for purchase and choir practice, but the usage of those settings in celebrations of the Mass (i.e. using the texts in a public setting) is pegged at 1st Sunday of Advent.